In 2016, I had no business being welcomed into the West Coast drum family with open arms. I had a tiny YouTube channel, and didn't even play all that well.

But that didn't stop Forrest Rice from inviting me over to shed, and letting me hang with him and friends at that year's NAMM convention.

Forrest first came to prominence after playing in grand finals for the Guitar Center Drumoff, may it rest in peace, in 2014. He's played drums for Covet and Wolfy, and currently plays with saxophonist Ian Roller. But most importantly, he's a deep thinker about the drums and music in general. 

In this conversation I ask Forrest about why he told me to learn the Tony Williams ride cymbal technique in 2016, the differences between jazz and math-rock, east-coast versus west-coast drum styles, "with the grain" versus "against the grain" practice, and more.

And he also tells a ten-minute story with a "behind the scenes" look at the Drum-Off, then joins me in a round of ridiculous speculation about how one might resurrect the Drum-Off, without many of the downsides.

I know you'll enjoy this one.

Chapters

1:00 - Tony and energy management 
4:15 - the double right thing 
7:52 - with the grain va against the grain practice 
12:27 - Forrest's take on the critical voice
17:42 - Forrest's latest thing at the Baked Potato
22:37 - east vs west coast drumming
28:41 - the best guitar center drum off story ever
47:46 - how we'd improve the drum off 
52:50 - Forrest's current projects 

Show notes 

Daniel Hayn - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmUTeaLU8SA
Forrest's Merry Little Christmas - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Iyvl6DRy-c
JD Beck and Buff Hello Kitty Beats - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANPbOxaRIO0
Naima Acuna - https://www.instagram.com/naimaacunaoficial/
Cole Riddle with Mike Mitchell - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDgyajeLmPU
Maison Guidry GC Drum off 2008 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj7PcsposVw
Quentin Ferb Milwaukee Gospel Chops video - https://youtu.be/TESIpvdd0VI?si=SyJKb-gn7Nb-JXcq
Ian Roller with Forrest - https://www.instagram.com/p/CzHWJwZPC8G/
Another Ian with Forrest clip - https://www.instagram.com/p/Ct66ez9MsWC/
Wolfy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g16AMH-axEk